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The Long Brown Path's avatar

Well, here I am in LA. I saw a car driving on the highway with a Mexican flag, and it was obeying the law (at least staying in its lane). I saw someone running in a race draped in a Mexican flag. I didn't take offense. I assumed they were not advocating for a foreign sovereign to have special rights to send their citizens here without accountability. Rather I assume they were using the Mexican flag to signal that they care for family and friends in this community of immigrants. Now, my cousin who lives here pointed out that the extensive graffiti I saw in downtown LA was new. And a restaurant owner shared with us that these protestors were mostly well-behaved, but did sometimes "break things." But I accept that people are frustrated and angry. I would guess that they have friends who are here illegally and they worry that they might get caught and deported. I understand where they're coming from.

Now, the person whose Trump flag you saw -- I don't know who he or she is. I would guess -- and this is merely speculation -- that they feel sold out by the establishment, which is a common thread in populist causes. Which is not hard to understand, with millions of manufacturing jobs having been sent overseas in the last few decades. (Now white collar jobs are being sent overseas in similar numbers.) The fact the borders were wide open for four years may be contributing to this person's angst (I'm listening to Congressman Ritchie Torres D-NY make exactly this point). If someone feel hopeless, they might want to be represented by a fighter. Someone who's not necessarily nice. Maybe they voted for the wrong person, but I think we have to let everyone make that decision for the reasons that make sense to them.

Now you describe this flag as a "provocation." But so are protests, especially those which are "mostly peaceful" but not entirely so. You describe this flag-waver as a member of "these people," but do you actually understand who they are? You said that these flags represent a "minority" which makes them even more "petty" -- but I'm not so sure that's accurate for upstate counties, and even if it were, do not "minorities" deserve extra space to make their points?

These are the questions I was left with after reading the first part of your article.

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Mark Kureishy's avatar

This last couple of days has been Tony Fletcher Weekend for me!

I flew over from Berlin to Manchester for a gig, and am staying at a friend’s house, where I found your Keith Moon biography sitting on his bookshelf. And then a stroll around Didsbury found me encountering Boy About Town in Oxfam, which I duly purchased and was reading right up until I was distracted by this epic piece on democracy with a small ‘d’ and how, despite our best intentions to kill it, we shall, in the end, always overcome and return, perhaps only briefly and sporadically, to our better selves.

A terrific piece, Tony, and I look forward to diving into Boy and Moon when I return to Berlin; another great city that knows a thing or two about idolatrous fealty to a man and his madnesses.

Cheers!

PS Also very recently read your big piece on the Smiths here (can’t remember if I commented, but will go back now and ensure I do), and I will confess it made me rethink my ever less than favourable view of them. But my unease with, or rather indifference to, the worship they receive is borne out by my growing up in Manchester at the same time as young Stephen, and sharing some of the same experiences (I even met him once in 78-79?, but was more taken by Linder than I was him!), and loving the same music, but diverging completely with his view of what Manchester was and is today. But opinions are like the proverbial arseholes; everyone’s got one, and so I’ll just have to accept mine differs from his. And now, not that I feel vindicated in any way, his complete degradation into whatever he is today - racist, unpleasant, and contradictory for contrariness’ sake - makes a reappraisal of his and the Smiths catalogue problematic in the extreme.

But I have always conceded the brilliance of Marr, Joyce and Rourke. Just not little Stephen…ha-ha!

Anyway, again, I loved this piece. Ta!

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